Noob interested in Kratom, Blue lily and herbal smoke blends

[Hara]

Please share your Kratom experience here; I have never tried it and would like to.

What are the effects? ANy good?

If so, where should I get it?


I am also interested in Blue lily but also have never tried that.


Also, I have heard about herbal smoke blends but have never tried any of those either. Is there something good out there? I heard Bombay Blue and Sence was good, but I am quite skeptical for they dont list any ingredients on the package from what I can tell. Whats in these things is a mystery and I dont like that. I will do some dangerous stuff, but I like to know what I am doing.



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Thank you,
love,
Hara

[Ulmdorgr]

Kratom is a pain killer/deliriant , but for some it is also a stimulant. It has a strange mix of effects. Some people use it for chronic pain relief, some use it for weight lifting, and some use it recreationally. I would check out http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom.shtml for trip reports. Any site online is fine, such as http://www.iamshaman.com/eshop/10Browse ... ory=Kratom

I too am skeptical of herbal smoke blends. Salvia Society also sells some, and when inquired, they said it was a secret mix. Which is BS. They often contain a mix of plants, and possibly synthetic cannabinoids (like JWH-018).

[SF]

Yes Indeed right on the money. Most of the smoke blends that are coming into the market now days is not really as advertised. They say it contains all these other plants mixed together, this may be but that is not where the effects are coming from.

You cant just mix a bunch of weak hardly active non concentrated herbs together to make something similar to cannabis. There is nothing like Cannabis there is no substitute. If you see a site telling you its a legal alternative more then likely its a rip off or in more recent times it may be a real synthetic cannabinoid. These are said to be very easy to produce in labs. So what your buying is a lie but it may have slight or overwhelming effects. I dont want to talk bad about company's, I have never tried smoke blends so i cant say anything about that part of it but i can say what i have heard and read about.

The problem for this stuff is its very simple to make compared to other chemicals in synthetic alkloid labs. This is kinda a bad thing because the people doing the making and shaking might not have there product with equal amounts of the chemicals.

You may get a smoke blend one day that isn't very potent then the next time you order a batch from the same supplier you may get something with an uneven amount of chemicals meaning you may get to much more then you bargained for.

I am not saying this is all facts but i have heard it. I am sure not all of the smoke blend company's are as bad but i wouldn't trust anything man made. Who knows what testing they may have or may not have done. The long term effects of these Man made chemicals have not been well studied.

I wouldn't trust the stuff. If your gonna use a medicine i would use something natural that has been used for Long periods of time. This way you know if there was anything really really bad about it, such as negative side effects.

[merryjohn]

Suprisingly i like Kratom; not too many of the legal entheogens are really good in their natuarl potency but this one is an exception. It's got a stimulant effect more than caffeine but less than amphetamine, yet conversely its also a painkiller/muscle relaxer like, id say somewhere between darvocet and hydrocodone.

Imagine thinking about how you have to file your taxes, finish your school project,and mow your lawn, but its the middle of the night, but you get up to do it anyways then your decide your too tired or fucked up to do it. lol im not kidding either i used to grow the shit. dont expect to be completely fu*cked out your mind tho, try salvia and woodrose if you wana do that.

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/7306/kratom.jpg

[merryjohn]

ps most smoke blends ive tried do little if anything.
ive heard blue lotus is really nice, its about the only legal one i know about i havent done.

if your going for the legal/natural pharm, id suggest salvia divinorum, hawaiian baby woodrose seeds, kratom, canary grass, calea zacatechichi, and of course good ol liquor. Poppies are legal to grow until you slit the pods, then your commiting a federal felony. but only if you got caught. (the pods can be bought at most bouquet shops!) but theres always poppy seed tee, which is totally legal. i think...

and make sure you do a little research about the plants before you go out buying an oz of extract. id hate for it to be illegal in your area or it make you tweek out da ass.

EDIT* i forgot to mention something called "lions tail" (Leonotis leonurus). It actually gave me a buzz in its natural form! its actually the closest alternative to cannabis ive tried yet, but still cant beat the real thing : /

[jasonsalvia]

I'm a fan of kratom for exercise purposes.

Blue lily is good to smoke in a bong. I steeped it in wine also but didn't really feel much. My experience is limited, prolly smoked it like 6 times. It's relaxing...

Many people smoke it along with MJ.

Please share your Kratom experience here; I have never tried it and would like to.

What are the effects? ANy good?

If so, where should I get it?


I am also interested in Blue lily but also have never tried that.


Also, I have heard about herbal smoke blends but have never tried any of those either. Is there something good out there? I heard Bombay Blue and Sence was good, but I am quite skeptical for they dont list any ingredients on the package from what I can tell. Whats in these things is a mystery and I dont like that. I will do some dangerous stuff, but I like to know what I am doing.



If replying to this, please send me a private message too so I will be sure to read any reply.


Thank you,
love,
Hara